2008-10-17 00:00 which information? 2008-10-17 00:00 the number of versions to store? 2008-10-17 00:02 we hand'e that pretty nicely in zumastor 2008-10-17 00:02 each version has a priority, for any ties you discard the oldest 2008-10-17 00:03 anyway, that would go in the version table, a special file much as the allocation bitmap and atom table are 2008-10-17 00:03 hmm 2008-10-17 01:15 another question is how do you tell the fs your preference to hold a snapshot unless the space is needed 2008-10-17 01:16 more like, how to explain the priority system to an admin 2008-10-17 01:17 would also be useful to control on a per-file or per-directory basis 2008-10-17 01:17 aka "i dont care about snapshots of /var/log" 2008-10-17 01:17 which could burn a lot of our snapshot space 2008-10-17 01:30 shapor: right 2008-10-17 01:52 the argument that "we can't afford to fill up the filesystem because it would fragement to hell" is kind of interesting 2008-10-17 01:52 so how much can we fill the filesystem? 2008-10-17 01:53 why not just leave 5% free and misreport the available space? 2008-10-17 01:56 pranith, shapor, we get to play with new interfaces when we get to snapshots 2008-10-17 01:56 pioneering stuff 2008-10-17 02:04 flips: it would be good to have a professional design document with the things which are new in tux3... 2008-10-17 02:06 would be easy to refer to concepts 2008-10-17 02:07 and *figures* would really help :) 2008-10-17 02:07 shapor's working on it 2008-10-17 02:07 feel free go contribute figures 2008-10-17 02:07 they're quite time consuming to make 2008-10-17 02:07 we need some volunteers 2008-10-17 02:08 yeah.. ill ping him.. 2008-10-17 02:08 shapor: you need any help with figures :D 2008-10-17 02:08 pranith: yes! 2008-10-17 02:08 what exactly are u working on? 2008-10-17 02:08 any draft? 2008-10-17 02:09 very rough, its in the repo 2008-10-17 02:09 http://shapor.com/tux3/shapor-tux3/doc/design.html 2008-10-17 02:09 hmm 2008-10-17 02:10 no figures at all :( 2008-10-17 02:11 yeah, it would be useful for dleaf 2008-10-17 02:11 ok, i think this is worth doing.. 2008-10-17 02:11 very useful 2008-10-17 02:11 the only way i got it was flips drawing it on a whiteboard 2008-10-17 02:11 oh 2008-10-17 02:11 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@121.Red-88-16-37.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 02:12 can you give me a picture or something.. 2008-10-17 02:12 ill make a figure from that? 2008-10-17 02:12 could 2008-10-17 02:12 hmm, great! 2008-10-17 02:13 perhaps this weekend 2008-10-17 02:13 tomorrow i'm going to be busy with work 2008-10-17 02:13 er later today i guess 2008-10-17 02:13 its 2am here 2008-10-17 02:14 oh 2008-10-17 02:14 hmm 2008-10-17 02:14 ok 2008-10-17 02:14 you mind mailing it to me? 2008-10-17 02:14 when u have it? 2008-10-17 02:15 sure 2008-10-17 02:15 okies 2008-10-17 02:20 hello 2008-10-17 02:20 can I ask for forward logging? 2008-10-17 02:21 are there any papers of detail? 2008-10-17 02:24 hirofumi: mail logs i guess 2008-10-17 02:24 ah 2008-10-17 02:25 but, that hard to understand all of detail for me 2008-10-17 02:26 btw, i have some patches. it should go to mailing list? 2008-10-17 02:26 for user/test/* 2008-10-17 02:32 hirofumi: yeah 2008-10-17 02:33 post them to the mailing list 2008-10-17 02:33 ok, thanks. 2008-10-17 02:35 hirofumi: what are those patches related to? 2008-10-17 02:37 little bug fixes, and draw tux3 intenal graph for newbie like me 2008-10-17 02:37 internal graph -> internal format 2008-10-17 02:37 internal graph as in a figure? 2008-10-17 02:37 you have a figure for that? 2008-10-17 02:38 I think some kind of 2008-10-17 02:38 draw by graphviz 2008-10-17 02:39 but, not perfect 2008-10-17 02:39 hmm 2008-10-17 02:39 something is better than nothing 2008-10-17 02:39 :) 2008-10-17 02:39 you posting it to the list? 2008-10-17 02:39 yeah :) 2008-10-17 02:40 yes 2008-10-17 02:40 ok, waiting for that... 2008-10-17 02:40 ok, I'll post those soon 2008-10-17 02:43 hirofumi, I have written a little bit about it 2008-10-17 02:43 some discussion with matt dillon 2008-10-17 02:43 some in the initial post 2008-10-17 02:43 and there will be some more in tomorrow's post 2008-10-17 02:44 oh, good. btw, what is big difference with usual jornaling? 2008-10-17 02:44 it puts the commit blocks all over the disk, not in a fixed place 2008-10-17 02:45 and it isn't limited to the size of the journal 2008-10-17 02:45 i see. and top of commit is pointed by superblock? 2008-10-17 02:47 btw, i posted some patches. could you check those? 2008-10-17 02:47 yes, re superblock 2008-10-17 02:48 and next commit is pointed by previous commit? 2008-10-17 02:50 yes 2008-10-17 02:51 I'll explain the details tomorrow 2008-10-17 02:51 your patches are looking good 2008-10-17 02:51 i see. thanks. btw, where does it come from? original? 2008-10-17 02:51 thanks 2008-10-17 02:51 I won't get through all ten tonight 2008-10-17 02:51 but by tomorrow 2008-10-17 02:52 original 2008-10-17 02:52 ah, I googled many times. 2008-10-17 02:53 heh 2008-10-17 02:54 hirofumi, you work for ntt or something like that? 2008-10-17 02:54 no 2008-10-17 02:55 student? sysadmin? 2008-10-17 02:55 flips: funny question.. why did u suspect so? 2008-10-17 02:55 foggy memory 2008-10-17 02:55 I'm finding next office, so I have some time for now. 2008-10-17 02:56 going to try that graph drawing patch right now 2008-10-17 02:56 btw, I sent example as reply 2008-10-17 03:03 wow 2008-10-17 03:03 that is beyond awesome 2008-10-17 03:04 pranith, I guess we have some figures now 2008-10-17 03:04 yippeee 2008-10-17 03:04 :) 2008-10-17 03:04 thanks :) kudos to graphviz 2008-10-17 03:06 wow.. 2008-10-17 03:06 the figure looks great.. 2008-10-17 03:06 hirofumi: thanks 2008-10-17 03:07 all most work by graphviz 2008-10-17 03:07 :) 2008-10-17 03:07 graphviz is just great 2008-10-17 03:09 so far it has not made a graph for me 2008-10-17 03:09 where does it write the output? 2008-10-17 03:10 if it's test/tux3.img, tux3graph should output test/test3.img.dot 2008-10-17 03:10 ok, it put it in /tmp 2008-10-17 03:10 it just add ".dot" postfix 2008-10-17 03:11 and "-v" is for full dump 2008-10-17 03:22 I used the comand: cat testdev.dot | dot -Tpng >testdev.png 2008-10-17 03:22 couldn't get dot to work otherwise 2008-10-17 03:22 I don't understand the syntax 2008-10-17 03:23 hirofumi, what name would you like for out "about us" page? 2008-10-17 03:23 we're listing all contributers 2008-10-17 03:23 and you just became one 2008-10-17 03:23 big time 2008-10-17 03:24 thanks. OGAWA Hirofumi 2008-10-17 03:24 it commented in tux3graph 2008-10-17 03:25 dot -Tpng -O foo.dot 2008-10-17 03:25 ogawa is your family name? 2008-10-17 03:25 yes 2008-10-17 03:25 you want all caps? 2008-10-17 03:26 yes, it may indicate it's family name 2008-10-17 03:26 my version of dot is too old to support -O I guess 2008-10-17 03:26 i see. i'll check... 2008-10-17 03:26 you could also write Ogawa, Hirofumi 2008-10-17 03:27 English way of showing family name 2008-10-17 03:27 for example, Phillips, Daniel 2008-10-17 03:27 I'm sure that's the problem 2008-10-17 03:27 this machine is running Etch 2008-10-17 03:27 so the command syntax I used works 2008-10-17 03:28 English way is Hirofumi Ogawa? I'm not sure 2008-10-17 03:28 i see. I'm using testing (lenny) 2008-10-17 03:29 normally I write Daniel Phillips, but it's also common to write Phillips, Daniel 2008-10-17 03:29 and the comma shows which is the family name 2008-10-17 03:29 Daniel is family name? 2008-10-17 03:30 oops, Phillips is family name? 2008-10-17 03:39 right 2008-10-17 03:39 all your changes look good 2008-10-17 03:39 I'll get some sleep first though before I start merging them 2008-10-17 03:40 that graph think is really sweet 2008-10-17 03:40 graph thing 2008-10-17 03:41 oh yay, the eee is booting off the dvd 2008-10-17 03:43 ok, it seems I could install centos on the eee 2008-10-17 03:43 not going to though 2008-10-17 03:51 Werror is killing tux3fuse... 2008-10-17 03:51 i think its better we dont use -Werror for now... 2008-10-17 04:00 sure 2008-10-17 04:00 what are the problematic warnings? 2008-10-17 04:00 posting... 2008-10-17 04:00 time for me to get some zzz's 2008-10-17 04:01 1 min 2008-10-17 04:01 -!- bobby(~bobby@nat-inn.mentorg.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 04:02 i dint understand 2008-10-17 04:02 from the code... 2008-10-17 04:02 cc1: warnings being treated as errors 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c: In function ‘tux3_lookup’: 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:78: warning: initialized field overwritten 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:78: warning: (near initialization for ‘ep.attr’) 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:79: warning: initialized field overwritten 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:79: warning: (near initialization for ‘ep.attr’) 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:80: warning: initialized field overwritten 2008-10-17 04:02 tux3fuse.c:80: warning: (near initialization for ‘ep.attr’) 2008-10-17 04:02 the code looks ok to me 2008-10-17 04:06 yes, I don't know what it means by "initialized field overwritten" 2008-10-17 04:07 yup, am on ubuntu, gcc verson 4.2.3 2008-10-17 04:07 but we can write that differently 2008-10-17 04:07 in a what that makes it happier maybe 2008-10-17 04:07 like? 2008-10-17 04:07 .attr = { .st_mod = ... }, 2008-10-17 04:07 hmm 2008-10-17 04:07 ok, am trying 2008-10-17 04:09 man I am going to be busy merging patches tomorrow 2008-10-17 04:10 yup, thats working 2008-10-17 04:10 submit a patch? 2008-10-17 04:16 sure 2008-10-17 04:16 I think the compiler was wrong actually 2008-10-17 04:16 about the initialized field overwritten 2008-10-17 04:16 might also be worth a gcc bug report 2008-10-17 04:16 hmm 2008-10-17 04:17 ohk... 2008-10-17 04:17 or at least a post to the gcc list 2008-10-17 04:17 ok, will do that 2008-10-17 04:17 just the struct and the error message, ask if it's worth a bug report 2008-10-17 04:17 struct init I meant 2008-10-17 04:18 ok, doing it now.. 2008-10-17 04:19 flips: iattr.c:109: warning: left shift count >= width of type 2008-10-17 04:19 im sure this warning is also not genuine 2008-10-17 04:19 this is with gcc 3.4.6 on rhel 5 2008-10-17 04:20 ACTION looks 2008-10-17 04:21 does it still give the warning with (((u64)root->depth) << 48) ? 2008-10-17 04:23 yup 2008-10-17 04:23 did that :) 2008-10-17 04:23 still gives the same 2008-10-17 04:23 warning 2008-10-17 04:26 seems like the compiler is wrong indeed 2008-10-17 04:26 yup, done with the mail to gcc and gcc-bugs 2008-10-17 04:26 submitting patch to tux3... 2008-10-17 04:27 anyway, it is evil to give a warning when the shift count is == to the object size 2008-10-17 04:27 that is perfectly legitimate in many cases 2008-10-17 04:27 idiot compiler hackers ;) 2008-10-17 04:27 lol 2008-10-17 04:27 but hats off to them 2008-10-17 04:27 that too 2008-10-17 04:27 i find compiler writing a boring thing 2008-10-17 04:28 the price is right as well 2008-10-17 04:28 but storage is exciting? 2008-10-17 04:28 gets more attention anyway 2008-10-17 04:28 compiler only gets attention when it doesn't work 2008-10-17 04:28 hehe 2008-10-17 04:28 ok, I really have to sleep 2008-10-17 04:28 storage is THE thing 2008-10-17 04:29 hehe, gudnite 2008-10-17 04:29 thanks for all the great work everybody 2008-10-17 04:35 woohoo 2008-10-17 04:35 http://tux3.org 2008-10-17 04:36 i'm sorry, frames are so 1997 2008-10-17 04:41 new look? 2008-10-17 04:43 shapor: still waiting for the dleaf picture :) 2008-10-17 04:43 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@r77h15.res.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 05:16 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@lawn-128-61-26-125.lawn.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 06:10 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 06:55 -!- data(~data@echo489.server4you.de) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 07:41 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 07:52 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 08:07 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 08:13 -!- cydork_(~cydoork@122.169.100.164) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 08:55 -!- hirofumi(~hirofumi@210.171.168.39) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 08:57 -!- RazvanM(~RazvanM@dazzler.isi.jhu.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 09:38 -!- prani(~bobby@122.163.49.185) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 09:38 anyone here/ 2008-10-17 09:52 -!- prani(~bobby@122.163.49.185) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 10:07 -!- mingming(~mingming@c-24-22-117-202.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 10:07 -!- prani(~bobby@122.163.49.185) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 10:16 -!- prani(~bobby@122.163.49.185) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 10:27 hmmm 2008-10-17 10:44 ponk 2008-10-17 11:00 grrr... switching to the latest 2.6 head is not painless :| 2008-10-17 11:13 who the hack is CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK? 2008-10-17 11:39 yeah... I'll stick with 2.6.26 for now :| 2008-10-17 12:17 hmmm 2008-10-17 12:17 been trying to figure out the leak reported by valgrind... 2008-10-17 12:17 hirofumi just posted a patch... 2008-10-17 12:21 ACTION added tar.gz snapshots of the hg repo for download on the tux3.org page 2008-10-17 12:39 shapor, hello 2008-10-17 12:40 ACTION really needs to understand the dleaf format 2008-10-17 13:12 prani, it's not memory leak. it read the memory beyond buffer size (e.g. rewind.group points the tail of buffer if leaf->groups == 0). 2008-10-17 13:57 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 16:25 ACTION getting closer to working on merges 2008-10-17 16:26 hirofumi, are you able to expose your mercurial repository on the net? 2008-10-17 16:27 anybody, what's a decent fast way to make diagrams on linux, so I can diagram the dleaf format? 2008-10-17 16:27 I've used xfig, it's powerful but weird 2008-10-17 16:27 and the dia clone, I forget what it's called 2008-10-17 16:27 name changed somewhere along the way 2008-10-17 16:27 pretty lame 2008-10-17 16:27 inkscape... tedious 2008-10-17 16:28 maybe I'll try inkscape again 2008-10-17 16:28 I like xfig... 2008-10-17 16:28 I like it, but I always end up tearing my hair out 2008-10-17 16:28 I find hard to control things in inkscape... perhaps I'm too old :| 2008-10-17 16:28 and it's really a lot of work making slick diagrams with it 2008-10-17 16:28 what are you trying to diagram? 2008-10-17 16:29 the dleaf format 2008-10-17 16:29 like I did no the whiteboard 2008-10-17 16:29 you need an expert in illustrator to do that? 2008-10-17 16:29 maybe shapor can remembe rthe whiteboard diagram and come up with some picture 2008-10-17 16:29 have you took a picture of the whiteboard? :D 2008-10-17 16:29 tim_dimm, would help 2008-10-17 16:29 I did 2008-10-17 16:29 I'm game 2008-10-17 16:29 in my phone 2008-10-17 16:29 can get it out with bluetooth 2008-10-17 16:30 OmniGraffle is quite nice for some stuff... 2008-10-17 16:30 ok, later for that one 2008-10-17 16:30 nice name 2008-10-17 16:30 if you can get it out to me, I'll work it out 2008-10-17 16:30 http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/OmniGraffle/ :P 2008-10-17 16:31 including pictures from there in papers doesn't work too well... :| 2008-10-17 16:31 need to do any diagrams with an opensource tool chain 2008-10-17 16:31 or at least the file formats have to be open and editable by open tools 2008-10-17 16:32 then inkscape might be the best option 2008-10-17 16:32 quite possibly 2008-10-17 16:32 do it in 3D with blender 2008-10-17 16:32 ;-) 2008-10-17 16:33 what?? :D 2008-10-17 16:33 3D graphics tool 2008-10-17 16:33 I know about it 2008-10-17 16:33 in 3D text mode with aalib 2008-10-17 16:33 looks like a big hammer for this 2008-10-17 16:33 tim was joking 2008-10-17 16:33 ascii?? :D 2008-10-17 16:34 I was joking, sorta 2008-10-17 16:34 anybody who hasn't run quake in text mode needs to 2008-10-17 16:34 with the complexity of your design, how cool would it be to explore it in 3D space? 2008-10-17 16:34 I actually run it once some time ago... 2008-10-17 16:35 it was doom II perhaps... don't remember exactly 2008-10-17 16:35 tim_dimm, sure, every project benefits from adding some smoke and caustics to their data structure diagrams 2008-10-17 16:35 physics 2008-10-17 16:37 povray anyone? :P 2008-10-17 16:39 I'm holding out for a shader to emboss them in 3D and I can blow them to dust with my bfg 2008-10-17 16:41 inkscape package is broken on etch, I'm going back to my tech post 2008-10-17 16:49 OT: http://ozviz.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/miscellaneous/scifigure/ 2008-10-17 16:50 I'm sure tim was only half joking 2008-10-17 16:50 we really need our diagrams sitting on shiny disks like that 2008-10-17 16:52 ok ok ok ok :D 2008-10-17 16:54 i could output a library of images 2008-10-17 16:55 you could arrange them any way you want with little lines and everything 2008-10-17 16:55 got to get down to the strand with my camera tonight 2008-10-17 16:56 get some of that brushfire sunset 2008-10-17 16:56 show you point n shoot lamers what a camera can do ;) 2008-10-17 16:56 oh, should I break out the 8x10 camera? 2008-10-17 16:56 only if it's a point n shoot 2008-10-17 16:57 point, pull focus, point again, pull focus some more, then polaroid, then shoot, but only one sheet at a time 2008-10-17 16:57 plus it won't fit in my pocket 2008-10-17 16:57 wish I never sold that thing 2008-10-17 16:58 used to shoot portraits with it 2008-10-17 16:58 ACTION only has medium format cameras :P 2008-10-17 16:58 ah, found my filters 2008-10-17 16:58 polaroid was discontinued, right? 2008-10-17 16:59 flips: did you download the picture of the whiteboard? 2008-10-17 16:59 razvanm, not yet, I need to transfer it to somebody with bluetooth 2008-10-17 16:59 get it out of the t-mobile feature phone 2008-10-17 16:59 probably to tim's ipod 2008-10-17 17:00 or my laptop 2008-10-17 17:00 or maybe mac 2008-10-17 17:00 right 2008-10-17 17:00 :D 2008-10-17 17:00 I'll suspend any mac trashing during the transfer process 2008-10-17 17:11 folks 2008-10-17 17:11 flips: so you do have/use a mac? 2008-10-17 17:12 razvanm, not me 2008-10-17 17:12 being a linux apostle and all 2008-10-17 17:12 :D 2008-10-17 17:13 besides, I have too many fingers for a one button mouse 2008-10-17 17:13 and too many brain cells ;) 2008-10-17 17:13 ACTION ducks 2008-10-17 17:13 :D 2008-10-17 17:14 I got one finger for you ;-) 2008-10-17 17:14 http://osxbook.com/ 2008-10-17 17:14 huge book 2008-10-17 17:14 a googler also ;-) 2008-10-17 17:14 ACTION invokes his invisibility spell 2008-10-17 17:15 it seems to work ;-) 2008-10-17 17:17 ACTION has a question about d_child and d_subdirs 2008-10-17 17:18 sk8 oclock 2008-10-17 17:18 enjoy 2008-10-17 17:18 and take nice pictures :P 2008-10-17 17:19 I'm just thinking how well skates and camera combine 2008-10-17 17:19 rapid change of viewpoint 2008-10-17 17:19 great way to destroy equipment too 2008-10-17 17:19 perfect ;-) 2008-10-17 17:19 true also 2008-10-17 18:48 ACTION is exploring dentry_unused... 2008-10-17 19:39 usbdevfs is seriously braindamaged 2008-10-17 19:39 terminally fragile 2008-10-17 19:42 hmm, connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"}, 33) = 0 2008-10-17 19:43 dbus getting involved in anything gives me a sense of impending doom 2008-10-17 19:54 http://tux3.org/woohoo.jpg 2008-10-17 20:00 folks 2008-10-17 20:05 -!- prani(~bobby@122.162.70.80) has joined #tux3 2008-10-17 20:07 hello 2008-10-17 20:09 file:///var/www/tux3/paradise.jpg 2008-10-17 20:09 check it out 2008-10-17 20:09 huh 2008-10-17 20:09 var? 2008-10-17 20:09 file? 2008-10-17 20:09 whoops 2008-10-17 20:09 hehe 2008-10-17 20:09 http://tux3.org/paradise.jpg 2008-10-17 20:09 :) 2008-10-17 20:11 is that a shooting star? 2008-10-17 20:11 its too bright for that... 2008-10-17 20:12 a meteoroid i guess.. 2008-10-17 20:12 jet 2008-10-17 20:12 coming in to lax 2008-10-17 20:12 huh! 2008-10-17 20:12 nice... 2008-10-17 20:12 well going away actually 2008-10-17 20:13 and too high for lax 2008-10-17 20:13 military possibly 2008-10-17 20:13 or flying from san diego somewhere 2008-10-17 20:13 hmm 2008-10-17 20:14 nice evening... 2008-10-17 20:14 yah, it's been like that all week 2008-10-17 20:14 bushfire special 2008-10-17 20:14 is that by the sea side? 2008-10-17 20:17 flips, mind explaining the figure by hirofumi ? 2008-10-17 20:17 the blocks... 2008-10-17 20:17 it shows graphically the interrelationship between blocks 2008-10-17 20:18 http://tux3.org/boardwalk.jpg 2008-10-17 20:18 this is where I work on the design each day by the way 2008-10-17 20:19 u have any pic of urs? 2008-10-17 20:20 bful place you live in 2008-10-17 20:20 I took these pics tonight 2008-10-17 20:20 about an hour ago 2008-10-17 20:21 http://tux3.org/casadelmere.jpg 2008-10-17 20:22 where we practice skating down the steps 2008-10-17 20:22 crazy guys like tim and shapor 2008-10-17 20:24 http://tux3.org/thepier.jpg 2008-10-17 20:28 nice... 2008-10-17 20:28